Post by morningrain on Dec 4, 2013 18:53:25 GMT 9.5
I just want to say I love this Collectors Circle sub board I really enjoy reading every bit of information shared here, it's good to know what is out there even if we don't have it, but it makes me hopeful that someday we'll have.
I have an original UK promo VHS for the Unplugged gig. This is similar to the one Delio (2Rok) transferred a few years ago, as Howdo mentioned. I have not transferred mine yet, but I guess the quality would be the same - so very little to be gained. And, as many have already mentioned; there are many great versions of this gig already out there, so it's difficult to understand the excitement in terms of bids.
The reason for getting both would be to compare quality, and look for differences in the editing and possibly with TV idents and such. This was an American version, and in NTSC format. Most of my videos from Epic/USA have been great quality, and safer than some of the European promo tapes - but you never know. The UK promo VHS label states the running time is 46min, the US one was supposedly 48min. Although I doubt it would be any difference (these labels are usually way off, anyway), one could never know until you see yourself. The G-Mex US promo that I transferred (some of you traders have it) contained some bits from sights around Manchester, not in the UK and European broadcast.
I have hundreds of Oasis VHS tapes in boxes, and the quality of VHS footage can be a bit hit and miss. Just because it's a promo tape doesn't necessarily make the quality any better than a first generation copy of the broadcast. I don't feel this tape was worth the amount of money it sold for, but that is besides the point. Hopefully it ends in good hands, and the people who bought it will be happy, and if it's someone we know; hopefully transfer and offer it for trade. I know I'd be up for a trade for it.
Great info there Joakim, thanks for posting. I think an NTSC promo VHS could possibly look better than a PAL equivalent, as I understand the programme was shot in NTSC. Any PAL version (such as a recording of BBC1's broadcast) will have gone through a standards conversion from NTSC, and the techniques used for this in the mid-90s were not so transparent as is possible now. So the PAL version would have some motion blur and judder as a side-effect of the conversion.
The best quality I ever saw Oasis' MTV Unplugged in was on a streaming video site that's now unfortunately long gone (I think it was called stage 6). Someone had uploaded a rip of a showing on a digital satellite channel, in NTSC format. Unfortunately at the time I couldn't work out how to download the file, but the picture and sound quality was superb. Almost like watching a proper DVD. I guess the audio may have been sourced from there for some of the more recent bootlegs. Would be nice to track that version down again! I've not seen it on YouTube or anywhere else though.
Post by themanwithnoname on Dec 11, 2013 20:27:26 GMT 9.5
My best Unplugged version is a DVD transfer of my own VHS recording from the original broadcast on the BBC. My parents had a really good video recorder at the time so the picture and audio are really great quality.
The only trouble is that disaster struck when I tried recording the Right Here, Right Now documentary on the same tape. The display had said there was enough tape left to fit it on but to my horror (I still remember that awful moment now), the tape started showing it was running out towards the end of the acoustic performance of Stand By Me by the pool.
I switched to Long Play, but then it ran out altogether halfway through It's Getting Better Man (so about five minutes in). At this point I should have cut my losses but instead I rewound the tape and started recording again, mucking up Cast No Shadow from MTV Unplugged. When I did my DVD transfer I had to edit in CNS from another source, although only I can really spot the difference to be honest. All in all, not a great night!
The really annoying thing is that I recorded loads of Oasis stuff on to VHS at the time but either recorded over it (don't know what I was thinking), played it so often the quality degenerated or somehow lost it.
I remember having the full version of Noel's appearance on the Late, Late Show in Ireland in '96 in amazing quality but when I got my DVD recorder in 2002 it was nowhere to be found.
The other nightmare I had was recording the Top of the Pops special in 2002. I was recording it on my DVD recorder and the quality was awesome for about 20 seconds of The Hindu Times before it started cutting out and generally fcuking up. It was a Philips and I bear a grudge against that company to this day!
It would be amazing if DVD recorders had been around to catch all the early stuff in top notch quality, although I guess half the fun of collecting is trying to find the best source possible. Thankfully there are some great collectors/traders around like Howdo and NoelsOasis who have helped unearth some absolute gems.
My best Unplugged version is a DVD transfer of my own VHS recording from the original broadcast on the BBC. My parents had a really good video recorder at the time so the picture and audio are really great quality.
The only trouble is that disaster struck when I tried recording the Right Here, Right Now documentary on the same tape. The display had said there was enough tape left to fit it on but to my horror (I still remember that awful moment now), the tape started showing it was running out towards the end of the acoustic performance of Stand By Me by the pool.
I switched to Long Play, but then it ran out altogether halfway through It's Getting Better Man (so about five minutes in). At this point I should have cut my losses but instead I rewound the tape and started recording again, mucking up Cast No Shadow from MTV Unplugged. When I did my DVD transfer I had to edit in CNS from another source, although only I can really spot the difference to be honest. All in all, not a great night!
The really annoying thing is that I recorded loads of Oasis stuff on to VHS at the time but either recorded over it (don't know what I was thinking), played it so often the quality degenerated or somehow lost it.
I remember having the full version of Noel's appearance on the Late, Late Show in Ireland in '96 in amazing quality but when I got my DVD recorder in 2002 it was nowhere to be found.
The other nightmare I had was recording the Top of the Pops special in 2002. I was recording it on my DVD recorder and the quality was awesome for about 20 seconds of The Hindu Times before it started cutting out and generally fcuking up. It was a Philips and I bear a grudge against that company to this day!
It would be amazing if DVD recorders had been around to catch all the early stuff in top notch quality, although I guess half the fun of collecting is trying to find the best source possible. Thankfully there are some great collectors/traders around like Howdo and NoelsOasis who have helped unearth some absolute gems.
The joys of using video recorders back in the day! I must have recorded everything oasis related that was on the tv back then, and at the time my thinking was always "if you switch the recording settings to LP, you can fit more oasis on the VHS" if only we knew DVD recorders would happen eh? And the amount of stuff I've recorded over is ridiculous, I ended up snapping the tabs off the VHS at one point so it couldn't be recorded over. Then it would be played to death as this was the only way to watch videos back then, with basically each watch reducing the quality. Luckily I'd say 90% of oasis footage that has been transferred onto DVD has been done well but imagine if we had DVD recorders in the 90's? We could have captured some brilliant shows in excellent quality, if only.....
One of the most pissed off I've ever been is when I recorded that right here right now show in 97, then I lent it to my mate, when I eventually got it back half way through watching it, it switches to a fishing program! His dad had only recorded a programme about bloody fishing over my copy of right here right now, I was livid at the time. Was such a relief when I finally got that on DVD
My best Unplugged version is a DVD transfer of my own VHS recording from the original broadcast on the BBC. My parents had a really good video recorder at the time so the picture and audio are really great quality.
The only trouble is that disaster struck when I tried recording the Right Here, Right Now documentary on the same tape. The display had said there was enough tape left to fit it on but to my horror (I still remember that awful moment now), the tape started showing it was running out towards the end of the acoustic performance of Stand By Me by the pool.
I switched to Long Play, but then it ran out altogether halfway through It's Getting Better Man (so about five minutes in). At this point I should have cut my losses but instead I rewound the tape and started recording again, mucking up Cast No Shadow from MTV Unplugged. When I did my DVD transfer I had to edit in CNS from another source, although only I can really spot the difference to be honest. All in all, not a great night!
The really annoying thing is that I recorded loads of Oasis stuff on to VHS at the time but either recorded over it (don't know what I was thinking), played it so often the quality degenerated or somehow lost it.
I remember having the full version of Noel's appearance on the Late, Late Show in Ireland in '96 in amazing quality but when I got my DVD recorder in 2002 it was nowhere to be found.
The other nightmare I had was recording the Top of the Pops special in 2002. I was recording it on my DVD recorder and the quality was awesome for about 20 seconds of The Hindu Times before it started cutting out and generally fcuking up. It was a Philips and I bear a grudge against that company to this day!
It would be amazing if DVD recorders had been around to catch all the early stuff in top notch quality, although I guess half the fun of collecting is trying to find the best source possible. Thankfully there are some great collectors/traders around like Howdo and NoelsOasis who have helped unearth some absolute gems.
The joys of using video recorders back in the day! I must have recorded everything oasis related that was on the tv back then, and at the time my thinking was always "if you switch the recording settings to LP, you can fit more oasis on the VHS" if only we knew DVD recorders would happen eh? And the amount of stuff I've recorded over is ridiculous, I ended up snapping the tabs off the VHS at one point so it couldn't be recorded over. Then it would be played to death as this was the only way to watch videos back then, with basically each watch reducing the quality. Luckily I'd say 90% of oasis footage that has been transferred onto DVD has been done well but imagine if we had DVD recorders in the 90's? We could have captured some brilliant shows in excellent quality, if only.....
One of the most pissed off I've ever been is when I recorded that right here right now show in 97, then I lent it to my mate, when I eventually got it back half way through watching it, it switches to a fishing program! His dad had only recorded a programme about bloody fishing over my copy of right here right now, I was livid at the time. Was such a relief when I finally got that on DVD
God, I'd have been absolutely livid if that had happened to me!
I did the same thing with the videotape tabs, although I watched stuff so many times the quality just ended up deteriorating.
Wish I'd done what this guy did - the notes on his YouTube videos say: "First generation recording, brand new tape, SVHS not VHS - to try and keep quality as high as possible. Recorded when first broadcast."
I would love to ask Liam how much footage his seen of the band and what gigs he thinks was his best performance ? I think he said maine road but i'm sure there is a few more
regarding the early 90's Oasis footage recording from tv the best thing to do if you had the money was to purchase a super vhs machine and record stuff that way in hi fi stereo sound
regarding the early 90's Oasis footage recording from tv the best thing to do if you had the money was to purchase a super vhs machine and record stuff that way in hi fi stereo sound
you had to be rich even just to own a hi-fi stereo vcr back in the day. So you would have had to be super rich to own a super vhs recorder.
regarding the early 90's Oasis footage recording from tv the best thing to do if you had the money was to purchase a super vhs machine and record stuff that way in hi fi stereo sound
you had to be rich even just to own a hi-fi stereo vcr back in the day. So you would have had to be super rich to own a super vhs recorder.
Good point there! I remember seeing a Panasonic S-VHS VCR at college, back in the late 1990s, which was geared mainly to camcorder enthusiasts- cost around £900 at the time. The blank tapes were pricey and not widely available either. At the time I think a Nicam stereo VHS machine could be had from about £300. Amazing to think how quickly the technology has advanced since then, with DVD, personal video recorders and Blu-Ray offering far better quality at more affordable prices.
I really enjoy reading every bit of information shared here, it's good to know what is out there even if we don't have it, but it makes me hopeful that someday we'll have.
