Oasis songs without cross-fades/segues between tracks

[instepwiththestars]

Hello all! Just discovered this site and I'm hoping some of you can help with something I've been working at for some time. I'm looking to find clean, fully isolated, stand-alone, cross-fade/segue-free versions of as many Oasis songs as possible. In some cases the transition is part of the music, but most of the time, they're unrelated songs that have overlapping outros and intros. I'm looking to isolate as many of the songs as possible. However, without a limitless supply of money to buy random promo and various-artists CDs hoping for a unique mastering, I haven't made a ton of progress. I'm hoping some of you can help me out!

(Since I just made this account, I'm not going to risk posting Discogs links in case I get flagged for spam, but I will be posting the catalog numbers as they appear on Discogs so you'll be able to find them that way.)

Rock 'N' Roll Star – Rather than being cross-faded, this just cuts off abruptly on the original CDs. The 2014 remaster does something very similar, although it sounds a lot more natural. I don't think the Epic promo CD single would have the full-length ending, because their Definitely Maybe is just a slightly tweaked clone of the Creation. That leads me to believe their source was Owen Morris's DAT master, with the cut-off ending. I think the best bet would be a promo from either Stop The Clocks or the 2014 Definitely Maybe reissue, but I've only found a 2014 promo for the radio edit, which I assume fades out before that point.

Hey Now! – The only non-Morning Glory CD I've found this on is "1996 Mercury Prize Albums Of The Year". I bought it and I'm waiting for it to be delivered. I don't have great expectations that this will have the ending synth note uninterrupted – but, then, the HMV Assorted compilation had a clean "Champagne Supernova", so anything is possible.

Some Might Say (Intro) – The reversed intro is isolated on the vinyl edition of the album. I'm not aware of any official digital release. The needledrop I've got is pretty good, but it has some slight ticks and pops, and they drive me up the wall.

Champagne Supernova – The 1996 Q Magazine/HMV Assorted CD (QCDJAN96) has this. It's basically the same mastering otherwise, except lowered by 3 dB. The North American Time Flies... compilation does as well, I'm told (probably 3 dB louder).

Stand By Me – Time Flies... has a clean version, but the ending is ever-so-slightly edited. A true clean version is on the two-track promo single (CCD 278X).

I Hope, I Think, I Know – Unfortunately, this can't be isolated by inverting the polarity on "Stand By Me". My guess is that the Epic promo CD (ESK 3861) has a proper clean version, but I don't have $90 to burn to find out.

Be Here Now – This can be isolated by inverting the polarity between the album and single versions of "All Around The World".

All Around The World – There's a very slight cross-fade (more like cross-index) on the Creation single; a true clean version is on the promo single.

It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) – The four-song promo sampler for Be Here Now (CCD 219X) has this song clean; the only caveat is that it lacks the fade-up and fade-down of the album version. Which is not a bad thing if you want to listen to the song in isolation. You can also get a clean intro using the commercial "All Around The World" single and inverting the polarity against the album mastering.

All Around The World (Reprise) – This should be able to isolate using the aforementioned promo sampler, but you would need to match the fade-down of "It's Gettin' Better (Man!!)" exactly.

Angel Child (Demo) and Heroes – A two-track promo CD for "D'You Know What I Mean?" (CCD 256X) has "Heroes" as its B-side. I assume you'll be able to isolate the ending of "Angel Child" using that.

(I Got) The Fever – Clean on the same promo CD as "Stand By Me" (CCD 278X).

My Sister Lover – See above; by inverting that clean promo, you can isolate this song.

The Fame – Appears to be isolated on a European "All Around The World" card sleeve single (HES 665269 1).

Flashbax – Separate from "The Fame" on a European "All Around The World" single (HES 665269 5); however, the fact that it lists "All Around The World" as 9:37 when the true, full-length fade is 9:44 makes me think it's probably cross-faded with the A-side. This would require a promo "All Around The World" to re-isolate it. Alternatively, "Flashbax" appears to be isolated on the CD BBC Future Hits 42, also from 1998.

The Hindu Times – Clean on the single and Time Flies..., but unfortunately Heathen Chemistry has slightly different mastering between the album and singles, so phase inversion can't cleanly isolate its songs – at least, not any of the ones I've tested. Interestingly, the Japanese CD has slightly different mastering to the Big Brother CD, and still doesn't cancel out with the singles.

Force Of Nature – The intro is easy enough to copy/paste and make clean, but unfortunately the outro is also cross-faded. The song does appear, hilariously, on a Loaded magazine CD called "The Ultimate Sounds Of Seduction" (LOADEDSK2003). It's also present on the Sunday Times sampler, but that appears to have some CD-ROM technology that acts as copy protection, so I don't know if it can be played or extracted.

Hung In A Bad Place – Also appears on the Sunday Times CD-ROM sampler. I have no idea if the Heathen Chemistry songs can even be accessed, so this might not work.

(Probably) All In The Mind – Appears on The Big Issue: 11 Tracks, 11 Years. If it's clean, and if it happens to cancel out perfectly, you could isolate "A Quick Peep", although I think that's very unlikely.

She Is Love – Clean, fortunately, on the "Little By Little"/"She Is Love" single. Unfortunately, it can't isolate the ending of "(Probably) All In The Mind".

Mucky Fingers – Appears on a Sony Music promo CD-R called "Great Songs". I just bought the only copy that was for sale. I'm hoping this can isolate "Turn Up The Sun" as well; I'll report back when I get the CD-R.

Love Like A Bomb – I don't actually own the "Lyla" single, and Time Flies... uses the Stop The Clocks mastering rather than the album mastering, so I can't test. I'm assuming you can do phase cancellation between the single and album mastering of "Lyla" to isolate this one, but I'm not positive.

Keep The Dream Alive – An Italian promo CD has a radio edit; if it's the same mastering, it could be used to isolate the ending of "Part Of The Queue". This song also appears on the Daily Mirror sampler CD-ROM, but like with Heathen Chemistry, the new songs are locked behind "you can only listen to it four times, and only over an Internet collection" copy protection.

The Turning – Appears on an Italian double-disc compilation called Strike!. Hopefully it can be used to isolate the ending of "Bag It Up" as well.

The Shock Of The Lightning, I'm Outta Time, and Falling Down – All three singles (and the versions on Time Flies...) are clean.

Waiting For The Rapture and (Get Off Your) High Horse Lady – These can be isolated by inverting the singles (or Time Flies...).

So that leaves the following songs that I'm not aware of an isolated version of:

Morning Glory/The Swamp Song (Excerpt 2) (I am aware of the cassette with the latter having a clean ending, with two minutes of waves)

My Big Mouth/Magic Pie

Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is/Little James

A Quick Peep

To Be Where There's Life/Ain't Got Nothin'

Thanks for checking this out! If you've got any of the CDs I've mentioned, please let me know if you can confirm or deny any of my hypotheses. And if I've missed anything, please fill me in!

[Burnage's Boy]

Interesting topic but many of the songs that you talking about can't be shared here, because it have the "official" attribute but it will be shared on the new blog so, please be patient and wait a little because your search is near to end.

[instepwiththestars]

I'm not asking for download links to files – I'm only asking if the sources I've found actually do have the complete songs.

[robg1979]

Great thread! I did something similar 10 years ago but this was before the idea of using audio software to filter segues out came to pass, it was just based on promo CD's with such versions on them. You are definitely on the right track, I have some of the promos you mention so can definitely confirm you are right there.

One thing jumps out, you mention inverting Be Here Now to get a clean rip, can you not just take the version from the 4 track promo CD? (the same disc you mention that has Its Gettin' Better Man)

[instepwiththestars]

Feb 7, 2023 4:54:53 GMT 9.5 robg1979 said:

Great thread! I did something similar 10 years ago but this was before the idea of using audio software to filter segues out came to pass, it was just based on promo CD's with such versions on them. You are definitely on the right track, I have some of the promos you mention so can definitely confirm you are right there.

One thing jumps out, you mention inverting Be Here Now to get a clean rip, can you not just take the version from the 4 track promo CD? (the same disc you mention that has Its Gettin' Better Man)

Good question, I don't own that promo yet (only a bad MP3 of Gettin' Better). I don't even know what the other three songs on the promo are! (Obviously!) I would assume BHN is clean on that, then.

The only BHN-era track I don't believe a clean version exists for is My Big Mouth/Magic Pie. I'm also not certain about The Fame/Flashbax, but I'm guessing a clean version can be created through phase cancellation.

[robg1979]

www.discogs.com/release/1812051-Oasis-Be-Here-Now

This is the promo, it has Be Here Now, It's Gettin' Better Man, Don't Go Away and The Girl In The Dirty Shirt.

Be Here Now is clean from this promo, I didn't realise until now that the album version isn't!

[instepwiththestars]

Just remembered another one that I'm not aware of a clean version – the live take of Cigarettes & Alcohol off the Japanese Don't Go Away single. You can get the intro clean, again by inverting the polarity of Don't Go Away (this time using the album version, which fortunately is already clean!), but the outro is forever locked with Sad Song as it's a totally different mastering and even a different transfer (they don't stay in sync).

[robg1979]

www.discogs.com/release/645874-Various-Compilation-Artist-News-D%C3%A9cembre-1997-Vol-1

This release has Magic Pie on it, but your guess is as good as mine to whether it's a clean version. I bought a number of such discs back in the day but none had clean versions, they were faded in/out to decent effect, but that was about your lot. All except the Champagne Supernova one you already mentioned, I'm now thinking that was the only exception 😂

[instepwiththestars]

Feb 7, 2023 6:04:23 GMT 9.5 robg1979 said:

www.discogs.com/release/645874-Various-Compilation-Artist-News-D%C3%A9cembre-1997-Vol-1

This release has Magic Pie on it, but your guess is as good as mine to whether it's a clean version. I bought a number of such discs back in the day but none had clean versions, they were faded in/out to decent effect, but that was about your lot. All except the Champagne Supernova one you already mentioned, I'm now thinking that was the only exception 😂

I was dumb enough to spend $10 on that CD with Hey Now in the vague hope that it will be clean – will report back if I've wasted $10 or if I can jump for joy that a blaring synthesizer note is uninterrupted! Ditto for that sketchy-looking CD-R with Mucky Fingers.

[robg1979]

I was dumb enough to spend $10 on that CD with Hey Now in the vague hope that it will be clean – will report back if I've wasted $10 or if I can jump for joy that a blaring synthesizer note is uninterrupted! Ditto for that sketchy-looking CD-R with Mucky Fingers.

I can't say anything as I did the same, and to be honest it'll be worth every penny if it's clean! I'll buy the Magic Pie disc and report back too 🤞🏻

[instepwiththestars]

Also just ordered the "Strike!" CD that supposedly has a clean version of The Turning. ETA on that is about a month. But I'll be able to confirm or deny my guesses for Hey Now, Mucky Fingers, and The Turning once those discs arrive!

I've always said I'm not a gambler, but throwing away this much money in the hopes of getting three ever-so-slightly different versions of songs I already have (sometimes multiple times!) is quite a gamble.

[schorman]

Couple things I can clarify:



Rock 'n' Roll Star: The US promo album version has a fade at the end so that it ends in silence, but it's not the complete track. The most complete version could be made by just fixing the indexing on the original Creation CD.

Hey Now!: The Mercury Music CD is the Creation CD master dropped by about 6.8 dB and faded out at the end.

Some Might Say (Intro): Truncated on the 1995 Vinyl, absent on 2009 Vinyl, full version on the 1995 Cassette.  Not present on any of the cassette reissues.  Need to check the Chasing the Sun vinyl.

I Hope, I Think, I Know: The US promo seems complete and there's no trace of the cross-fade with SBM on the intro, but the intro is not as long as the version that's cross-faded on the album.

Angel Child (Demo): Clean version can be made with the versions you mentioned, however due to brickwall mastering, there are many distortions on the isolated audio.  Izotope RX did a great job of cleaning that up.

My Sister Lover:  Clean version is possible as you've noted.

The Fame:  Not complete on the European 2-Track CD.  It's just faded out at roughly the same track length as the 4 Track version.

Flashbax: On the European 3-Track CD, the A side has an additional slight fade out, and possible crossfade/overlap with a quickly faded-in version of the regular master of Flashbax, complete with the last note of The Fame playing over the opening drum beats.

Force of Nature: Complete clean version is on the 5-Track Heathen Chemistry sampler CD.

(Probably) All In The Mind:  The Big Issue version is not complete; it's just faded at the beginning and end of the track.

Lyla: The single version is clean and complete and will mostly cancel with the album track, however the dithering is different between the masters, so there's some dither noise doubled in the upper frequencies that's left over.  The end of Mucky Fingers and the beginning of Love Like A Bomb can be isolated.

Keep The Dream Alive: The beginning and end of the radio edit match the intro and outro of the album track.  They're just edited slightly different to the track boundaries on the album.  


Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is: This one is clean on the SOTSOG album sampler disc.  It doesn't null out perfectly with the album, but you can get the Little James intro almost perfect.  


I can't comment on the Magic Pie, Mucky Fingers, or The Turning versions as I don't have those discs.  I think it's fairly unlikely that any of them would turn out to be complete versions though.



Edit:  Also, many of the DOYS tracks could convincingly be created using the Instrumentals promo that circulates, specifically the Sony version, as the Big Brother version seems to be an upconvert from lossy tracks. You'd need to match the volume and limiting of the album versions, potentially.

[instepwiththestars]

Feb 7, 2023 14:07:23 GMT 9.5 schorman said:

Couple things I can clarify:



Rock 'n' Roll Star: The US promo album version has a fade at the end so that it ends in silence, but it's not the complete track. The most complete version could be made by just fixing the indexing on the original Creation CD.

Hey Now!: The Mercury Music CD is the Creation CD master dropped by about 6.8 dB and faded out at the end.

Some Might Say (Intro): Truncated on the 1995 Vinyl, absent on 2009 Vinyl, full version on the 1995 Cassette.  Not present on any of the cassette reissues.  Need to check the Chasing the Sun vinyl.

I Hope, I Think, I Know: The US promo seems complete and there's no trace of the cross-fade with SBM on the intro, but the intro is not as long as the version that's cross-faded on the album.

Angel Child (Demo): Clean version can be made with the versions you mentioned, however due to brickwall mastering, there are many distortions on the isolated audio.  Izotope RX did a great job of cleaning that up.

My Sister Lover:  Clean version is possible as you've noted.

The Fame:  Not complete on the European 2-Track CD.  It's just faded out at roughly the same track length as the 4 Track version.

Flashbax: On the European 3-Track CD, the A side has an additional slight fade out, and possible crossfade/overlap with a quickly faded-in version of the regular master of Flashbax, complete with the last note of The Fame playing over the opening drum beats.

Force of Nature: Complete clean version is on the 5-Track Heathen Chemistry sampler CD.

(Probably) All In The Mind:  The Big Issue version is not complete; it's just faded at the beginning and end of the track.

Lyla: The single version is clean and complete and will mostly cancel with the album track, however the dithering is different between the masters, so there's some dither noise doubled in the upper frequencies that's left over.  The end of Mucky Fingers and the beginning of Love Like A Bomb can be isolated.

Keep The Dream Alive: The beginning and end of the radio edit match the intro and outro of the album track.  They're just edited slightly different to the track boundaries on the album.  


Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is: This one is clean on the SOTSOG album sampler disc.  It doesn't null out perfectly with the album, but you can get the Little James intro almost perfect.  


I can't comment on the Magic Pie, Mucky Fingers, or The Turning versions as I don't have those discs.  I think it's fairly unlikely that any of them would turn out to be complete versions though.

Thanks so much!! First off – Sorry I never got back to you on SHTV, I promised I'd send you some stuff and then went down a rabbit hole of trying to improve it. I'm still very grateful for the stuff you sent a few months back.

Hey Now – Thanks, wish I'd posted and gotten this response before I spent the money on this! Ah well. Fudging a clean ending using reverb and other tools *might* be doable.

Some Might Say – Ah! I never thought to check the cassette! It sounds noticeably better there than the LP (even though they both have the same mastering). This problem is solved. Thanks!!

I Hope, I Thinkm I Know – This is an oddity. As you pointed out, it's clean, but the album version has a longer intro. This isn't just a fade-up of the album mastering, but there's about a full second of music (well, feedback) which is omitted. Strange.

It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) / All Around The World (Reprise) – Disappointingly, the promo IGBM does NOT have identical mastering to the BHN album. I'm getting a lot of phasing when I try to cancel the two out. The reprise is one where you'd have to do a carefully-edited fade-in. Unless you have some kind of noise reduction software that can analyze the ending of the promo IGBM and remove it from the reprise without leaving too many artifacts.

Angel Child – I had forgotten that the 2016 deluxe edition has a complete ending! The EQ is a bit wonky (dull in the left channel, bright in the right) but it's not too difficult to correct. I am interested how the phase inversion test would result in distortion artifacts from peak limiting, though. I'll have to try it myself once I get that promo disc.

The Fame / Flashbax – Arrghhh! That probably means the "Future Sounds Vol. 42" or whatever it was uses the same mastering as the single, then. I've got a homemade version of The Fame which just has the first drum hit at the end, but I've yet to get Flashbax to sound convincing.

Force Of Nature – I stayed away from that sampler because of its "will not play on PC/Mac" label. Is that true? Also, on a related note, are you aware of any way to access the CD-ROM tracks on the HC/DBTT samplers?

Keep The Dream Alive – Will a phase inversion of the radio edit isolate the ending of Part Of The Queue?

Mucky Fingers & The Turning – I'm also not confident the $30 I spent here will bear fruit, but I'm optimistic. I'll report back either way.

Many thanks!!

[schorman]

One I forgot:

Hung In A Bad Place:  Can be isolated using Force of Nature from the HC sampler.

The HC sampler works fine when ripping.  I don't think it even had a CD-ROM layer, come to think of it.  I'd need to pull the disc out and check though.  

AFAIK, there's no way to access the HC or DBTT files on the Sunday Times or Daily Mirror CDs.

The KTDA edit doesn't cancel perfectly with the album master, and the outro is not long enough to overlap with POTQ.

[instepwiththestars]

Feb 7, 2023 15:03:56 GMT 9.5 schorman said:

One I forgot:

Hung In A Bad Place:  Can be isolated using Force of Nature from the HC sampler.

The HC sampler works fine when ripping.  I don't think it even had a CD-ROM layer, come to think of it.  I'd need to pull the disc out and check though.  

AFAIK, there's no way to access the HC or DBTT files on the Sunday Times or Daily Mirror CDs.

The KTDA edit doesn't cancel perfectly with the album master, and the outro is not long enough to overlap with POTQ.

Thanks. So the HC sampler (this one correct? www.discogs.com/release/3270509 ) can be used to cancel out the album mastering? That's good to know!

One thing that really threw me for a loop when I tested is that the UK Big Brother CD, the Japanese Epic/Sony CD, AND the Big Brother CD singles all have slightly different mastering. None cancel out with one another. At least on the songs I tested (probably Hindu Times and Stop Crying Your Heart Out).

Too bad about the samplers – a handful of the remaining tracks could have been obtained that way. Disappointing.

So if I'm not mistaken, these are the songs we can't (currently) get true clean versions of:

Rock 'N' Roll Star

Hey Now!/The Swamp Song (Excerpt 1)

Morning Glory/The Swamp Song (Excerpt 2)

My Big Mouth/Magic Pie

All Around The World (Reprise)

The Fame/Flashbax

Cigarettes & Alcohol (Live G-Mex)

Little James

A Quick Peep/(Probably) All In The Mind

Part Of The Queue/Keep The Dream Alive

To Be Where There's Life/Ain't Got Nothin'

There are a bunch of songs where the only overlap is tape/studio noise, or it's so quiet and there's enough space that you could do a brief fade-out and essentially have the isolated track. Things like the transition from Wonderwall into Don't Look Back In Anger, or from The Turning into Waiting For The Rapture. I'm not counting those, I'm only counting the instances where the actual music (or song, as several songs start with pretty un-musical feedback!) is affected by the editing.