I think Rock 'n' Roll Star would fall into that category as well, but yes, the list looks good.
Well, part of the music is actually missing, which is why I put it there. But it's not buried under another song, it's just gone. That's why I had it on that list, but you're right – it doesn't really belong in the category of "songs we know are complete, but don't currently have the means to isolate".
Force of Nature: Complete clean version is on the 5-Track Heathen Chemistry sampler CD.
Just to clarify Scott is the intro to Force of Nature clean on your promo? Just dug mine out and I'd forgotten it has some sort of artifact/note at the start. No big issue of course as it's always been easy to cut and paste the intro, but just wondered if yours was the same? Mine is numbered 000319.
Yes, it has that same artifact, but I assume that's part of the original recording/master for that track. It's definitely separate and not part of the preceding track on that disc.
If I had some gum, I'd chew a hole into the sun...
Post by instepwiththestars on Feb 10, 2023 14:49:15 GMT 9.5
Angel Child into Heroes – I didn't understand how an OOPS isolation would result in clipping distortion. Well now I understand it: the two songs were mastered separately, at the 0.0 dB mark, and then they were cross-faded afterwards, which means Angel Child made the already-clipped drum hits of Heroes push further into the red. Fortunately, the 2016 BHN reissue has the ending clean (and even though the EQ is imbalanced for this song on that reissue, it's nice to hear an Oasis song with full dynamic range for once!).
Also, the artifact at the beginning of Force Of Nature is present on the Heathen Chemistry album too. Why it's there I don't know, but it seems to be there intentionally. Force Of Nature doesn't cancel out perfectly with the HC album mastering, but it cancels much closer than any other source I've tried – and since we already have The Hindu Times clean, the fact that it basically isolates Hung In A Bad Place cleanly makes it worthwhile to me!
Post by instepwiththestars on Feb 12, 2023 5:58:57 GMT 9.5
Here's an anomaly: on the 2-track promo CD for All Around The World (CCD 282X), Street Fighting Man is missing the studio chatter at the beginning, but it also has a slightly longer fade. The four-song commercial single begins to fade sooner and the fade is more aggressive. Although it's barely audible, the promo CD has about three seconds of music that's not on the single. Interesting!
Also, by inverting the polarity between the two, you can cleanly isolate the studio chatter. The overlap is microscopic, but hey, it can be done.
Post by instepwiththestars on Feb 12, 2023 15:59:35 GMT 9.5
Out of curiosity, what instrumentals exist (preferably in lossless quality)? Would any of them be able to, with some minor audio surgery, cleanly isolate any of the tracks from the previous page we've yet to find clean versions of? Something like an instrumental Part Of The Queue with the full ending, or Probably All In The Mind with a clean intro. (I'm guessing the latter probably doesn't exist! Oh, if only we could access the files on that CD-ROM...)
Out of curiosity, what instrumentals exist (preferably in lossless quality)? Would any of them be able to, with some minor audio surgery, cleanly isolate any of the tracks from the previous page we've yet to find clean versions of? Something like an instrumental Part Of The Queue with the full ending, or Probably All In The Mind with a clean intro. (I'm guessing the latter probably doesn't exist! Oh, if only we could access the files on that CD-ROM...)
Thanks! I've just heard the instrumental of POTQ – the file I have is MP3-sourced, not sure if the official CD is or not. Either way, it unfortunately doesn't cancel with Keep The Dream Alive – but maybe some clever editing between the instrumental POTQ and the radio edit of KDTA could work in isolating both.
What about Dig Out Your Soul? Bag It Up/The Turning and To Be Where There's Life/Ain't Got Nothin' are the two I'm worried about (though I'm still hopeful, perhaps unrealistically so, that the Italian "Strike" compilation has a clean Turning!)
Post by instepwiththestars on Feb 13, 2023 4:06:46 GMT 9.5
And that Stop The Clocks instrumental CD is an anomaly. Is it a real promo CD, or a bootleg disguised as one? Or a bootleg-turned-official-promo? The Definitely Maybe tracks seem to be lifted straight from the Safety Masters, Lyla and TIOBI are on the aforementioned DBTT instrumentals disc. But then there's also Go Let It Out, The Masterplan, and Songbird, which I don't believe were ever released elsewhere. The volume levels are all over the map, and there's extended periods of silence. This clearly wasn't put together by an engineer.
Post by instepwiththestars on Feb 16, 2023 17:39:24 GMT 9.5
With some careful audio surgery, I've managed to create standalone versions of Hey Now!, The Swamp Song #1, Some Might Say (complete with backwards intro), The Fame, and Flashbax. I used the 7" for the true ending of The Fame and the 1995 WTSMG cassette for the Some Might Say intro. I also used the cassette to mimic the true fade of the first Swamp Song excerpt (which is quite abrupt). My next goal is to cleanly fudge the intro for Little James; I've tinkered around a little but never actually put in serious effort, but I think that should be doable.
I'm trying to create a full-length fade-in for the reprise of All Around The World, but it's proving to be far more challenging than I expected. I thought I could just duplicate the first two clean "lines", but the whole tone and timbre of the recordings is noticeably different. I'm going to keep working at this one.
The following songs are easy enough to create serviceable standalone versions of: Rock 'N' Roll Star, Morning Glory/The Swamp Song (Excerpt 2), My Big Mouth/Magic Pie, Cigarettes & Alcohol (Live G-Mex), Part Of The Queue/Keep The Dream Alive, and To Be Where There's Life/Ain't Got Nothin'.
With that last pairing, I've yet to hear the instrumental CD-R for Dig Out Your Soul, so there's a chance clean versions can be created using that. I'll report back when I know more about that disc. I'm still holding out hope that The Turning is truly isolated on the Italian multi-genre compilation, perhaps unreasonably. Ditto Mucky Fingers on the Great Songs CD-R.
Which brings us to the last pairing, and one I (unfortunately) don't have hope for: A Quick Peep/(Probably) All In The Mind. I've created my own fade in-out of those, but it's far from perfect: Andy's "That'll do me" tag on the former seems impossible to remove from the latter, and none of the three Heathen Chemistry CDs I tried (UK Big Brother, US Epic, Japan Sony – all with ever-so-slightly different mastering!) cancelled out She Is Love cleanly with the single. It got those notes quiet enough that I could do a slightly later fade-out than normal, but the song itself doesn't end with a fade-out; it ends with an extended bass note.
The unfortunate thing is that this song appears to exist in its unedited form on a CD that anyone can buy – but it's locked behind CD-ROM technology that, even when cracked, produces a file whose musical content seemingly can't be extracted. I would dearly love for an intrepid programmer to attempt to get the music out of these files. (And then watch it turn out to be the fudged version from The Big Issue!).
Anyway, that's the latest update on my quest for isolated Oasis tracks (Oisolation?). I'll report back once I've got those discs that are currently in transit!
Post by instepwiththestars on Feb 17, 2023 2:13:48 GMT 9.5
Thanks to the generosity of board members I have now heard the DOYS instrumentals CD (the 15-track one with the songs in alphabetical order). Not only are all the tracks clean, not only are all the tracks lossless, they're un-mastered to boot! The Dear Prudence ending of The Turning is separate from the song itself as well. DOYS is an album I've only recently started coming around on (after considering it the weakest of the seven for some time) and this treasure trove of a disc is already enhancing my love of the album significantly. I don't even care if the Strike CD just copies the album mastering for The Turning – that was a small price to pay in order to be introduced to this!
The unfortunate thing is that this song appears to exist in its unedited form on a CD that anyone can buy – but it's locked behind CD-ROM technology that, even when cracked, produces a file whose musical content seemingly can't be extracted. I would dearly love for an intrepid programmer to attempt to get the music out of these files. (And then watch it turn out to be the fudged version from The Big Issue!)
Oops. Not sure what I was thinking of here; that song is not on either promo sampler. I may have been thinking of Hung In A Bad Place. Or maybe – probably – it was all in my mind. Sigh.
Post by instepwiththestars on Feb 17, 2023 12:46:53 GMT 9.5
Just noticed there's actually a 12" single for Mucky Fingers. Somehow I missed this before. Most of the 12" singles (promo or otherwise) have had clean versions, so that gives me a little bit more hope that Mucky Fingers on the Great Songs disc may be clean.
Or maybe not – this clearly mimed performance amusingly starts with the tail end of Turn Up The Sun:
Just noticed there's actually a 12" single for Mucky Fingers. Somehow I missed this before. Most of the 12" singles (promo or otherwise) have had clean versions, so that gives me a little bit more hope that Mucky Fingers on the Great Songs disc may be clean.
Or maybe not – this clearly mimed performance amusingly starts with the tail end of Turn Up The Sun:
Actually, now that I'm listening on a good set of headphones, what I thought was the feedback at the end of Turn Up The Sun is actually an audience member whistling. Between that and the 12" rip which I've now heard, there definitely exist two clean sources for Mucky Fingers. I'll be very, very happy if the CD I ordered turns out to be a third!